Issues with the Discord Service - We might move again.

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Salutations. Im sorry to bring to your attention today that the chat service we've
been using for a while now, Discord, has conflicting interest with our lewd.sx channel.
What has been happening, is that the #nsfw channel conflicts with the TOS. And to
most users distraught, there has been..forsay, "dislike" of the terms of service
presented. Most notably, Hammer and Chisel included a clause, that states that every
message we send, and the channels we own, belong to them to freely manipulate and
share. Due to the global outcry, we have been considering yet another move of chat
service.

Well if you want my opinion about that poll, it's really stupid to cry about them stating that they own every message, because that's just common sense: they own the servers, they own any message you put on their server. Just like cron owns literally every post ever on lewd.sx for as long as he's paying the servers to host it. That's all there is to it. Same is true with slack, or facebook, or anything else tbh. Giving yourself ownership over the content the people posts on your platform is just common sense and just means if there's a legal problem about a message or something, they can just freely delete it without having legal problem with that user. In fact I'd go as far as saying that some of these other services are worse on that to the point they claim ownership of every user account, which is also common sense considering it allows you to terminate an account freely without risking any legal problem with a particular user. I think this is just overreacting. I'm pretty sure they don't even intend to do anything using that, it's just an in-case-they-need-it guarantee. Thus, I'm voting to stay on Discord.

If I had to say about the other platforms offered, the one I'm least inclined to go to is actually IRC, because it doesn't embed images anyways, which is the whole point of the nsfw channel: embedding nsfw images in a channel. Also, as has been told above, the reason we left slack was because of the 10k limit on message log viewing, IRC doesn't even let you see old messages in a channel unless you're logged in 24/7, if you log out once, everything is gone. It's not even a valid alternative as it doesn't even offer the basic features that were the reason behind us moving away from slack to begin with. I'm not sure about XMPP and Tox as I haven't really used them, but if they're similarly unable to embed images or view old messages, you probably won't see me moving, there's absolutely no way I'm going to go on a service that's actually a downgrade over Discord. That is all I have to say about this.

Considering that none of the things you listed above exist in a physical sense, none of the usual rules apply. Copyright does not apply to thought.

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Considering that none of the things you listed above exist in a physical sense, none
 of the usual rules apply. Copyright does not apply to thought.

Copyright applies to distribution of copyrighted material, uploading it to discord is actually possible, and it's actually literally distributing it to anyone in that channel, therefore you could get legal issues with that. In fact Hammer & Chisel would be the ones getting called on it because they own the platform. And to avoid issues, I have no doubt deleting one message and the uploaded file is much much easier than going to court for that one message containing copyrighted material. Also, images can also be copyrighted, just look at the advanced search features of google, you can literally tell it not to search for copyrighted images, and that's yet again distributing copyrighted material. So long as the copyright holder doesn't care, that's fine, but if he's an ass and cares they can just delete that message and then they're done with that problem.

19694
it doesn't embed images anyways

Depends what client you use. https://askubuntu.com/questions/262118/is-there-an-irc-client-for-ubuntu-with-inline-media

>the reason we left slack was because of the 10k limit on message log viewing, IRC doesn't even let you see old messages in a channel unless you're logged in 24/7
You can setup a bouncer to log messages for you, or use a service like cloudirc or its Open Source alternatives.

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19694
it doesn't embed images anyways

Depends what client you use. https://askubuntu.com/questions/262118/is-there-an-irc-client-for-ubuntu-with-inline-media

the reason we left slack was because of the 10k limit on message log viewing, IRC
doesn't even let you see old messages in a channel unless you're logged in 24/7
You can setup a bouncer to log messages for you, or use a service like cloudirc
or its Open Source alternatives.

Finding a client that does embed stuff and setting up a bouncer is more trouble than it's worth tbh. It should just be "launch client => login/whatever => get a bunch of stuff straight from the server about the past messages, and if I scroll up, grab a couple older messages, etc etc."

I choose Slack because I don't IRC.

IRC is the superior form of nerd chat.

It's a proven fact.

I found some of the old source of midoribot after looking for a while, if we get back to irc I can update it.

I hear that irc is almost ready.

I am completely against moving to IRC since you have to install a third-party application (also just installing IRC clients in general) in order to get what Discord already provides; same thing that Kuso said, you cannot view any messages from before or after you are logged in.
Moving on to the poll, there should be an undo button, since I'm really undecided with the current options. Just count my vote as "not IRC" (not that my vote will count anyway; only 57% of people are getting what they want, presumably less).

No you don't, there are web apps for irc like mibbit.

Voted for IRC :3 It's the comfiest option for me.

Do we have a channel already?

Edit: BTW. why not add a bot to the channel that logs it and saves it somewhere for all those who want to read what happend in it while they and their client were gone?

We have a server being worked on right now, it should be ready soon qt-tsu~

Another thing that kinda annoys me tn with you pushing irc so much right now, is that when I used to offer an irc server back when we had that player.me group chat. I was literally the only person on it after a week or two. Now you're pushing for one here, but you weren't using it anymore than anyone else, which kinda makes me continue thinking that all the irc shit you're doing is pretty much nostalgia for irc from when it was the shit.

Otherwise, I kinda agree with Saikou, considering there are arguments being placed around, there is the possibility that some people might have voted first, and then as the arguments flow, might wish to change their position on which platform they want, and considering there isn't a "change vote" button, they can't do so, and their votes are stuck where they were first cast.

Either way, that doesn't change the fact that I'm not going on IRC. It's taking a step backwards rather than forward. Sure Discord has issues right now, but it's in constant development, in fact you could say it's more like an alpha version currently than an actually release version, which explains some bugs and issues from time to time.

And that's the last thing I'll say about this thing. Knowing how inactive I usually am on the forums, I might just be seen even less with this "move to irc" thing. See you.

I still remember barely having any free time; I still have your server bookmarked to visit but you were never able to get more than few people on at a time.

Don't take offense but Senpai is a lot better about promoting this kind of thing and getting it used than you are/were.

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It's taking a step backwards rather than forward.

IRC has more features than Discord; including much needed features, like muting users.

Discord might be in development, but that development seems to be really slow; and isn't focused on important features.

I'll be installing this, which removes the following reasons people are against IRC:

>you have to download a client
>no auto-expanding images
>no message history

I don't think there was any more issues? If there was, let me know, and Subway might cover them too :3

See? Senpai is on top of this shit.

Rii wrote

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 Otherwise, I kinda agree with Saikou, considering there are arguments being placed
 around, there is the possibility that some people might have voted first, and then
 as the arguments flow, might wish to change their position on which platform they
 want, and considering there isn't a "change vote" button, they can't do so, and
 their votes are stuck where they were first cast.
 
 Either way, that doesn't change the fact that I'm not going on IRC. It's taking
 a step backwards rather than forward. Sure Discord has issues right now, but it's
 in constant development, in fact you could say it's more like an alpha version currently
 than an actually release version, which explains some bugs and issues from time
 to time.

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That only shows up because you're an admin.

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