Nana's demotion - voting

To be quite honest, I think you're a kind person but the time you muted me for 5 minutes just for sending 2 messages in all caps was just ridiculous. I think you're a little rude towards people who are just having a (sometimes stupid) conversation in the chat. I don't think you should enforce silly rules and talk to people in such a manner. But let me reinstate my first statement - you are a kind person, and I have seen you be kind to not only me but to others either. So now we're to the point where does the bad outweigh the good. My answer is no, I think you should stay moderator but maybe be a little less strict.

I think you should stay mod, but like @[deleted] said maybe the vendetta against some people needs to end.

I know staff votes are probably null, but I'd like to state that I'd still vote no, and for you to stay on staff. Relationships aside from Discord, you haven't done anything wrong in terms of moderating the forum itself.

If you do stay for one reason or another, this thread makes a good opportunity to take constructive criticism and help all staff resolve problems better.

While the forum itself is pretty calm this Discord can be out and out terrible sometimes because people wont stop spamming absolute crap in the lounge and a few times literally nobody has stepped in to do anything. 

I somewhat feel like while some decisions are possibly a little emotionally charged, the staff as a whole could possibly be a little too lax making you look overly harsh by comparison. I don't think a demotion is needed at all as none of the decisions have really affected anyone on a grander scale than a 5 minute mute when the conversation at hand was of a pretty low quality/importance to begin with. It's not like powers are being abused constantly or people are being taken advantage of. Simple mistakes at best in my opinion.

Obviously it's not always apparent when people are muted or the mods/admin makes a decision and takes an action but I feel like more needs to be done on some occasions.

I mean I don't know what happened so no?
Idk..
I don't really fw discord anymore. All I see is useless arguing left and right between @Senpai and others. (sometimes)
Then mods start muting people left and right..
I suggest to be a better mod. That's all. nana <3

I haven't been here a month so I won't be voting, but I will speak my mind if you're willing to hear it. For a tl;dr version, scroll down.

From what I can gather a situation or two, or maybe a few have happened that have led you to this point. It's understandable to question yourself if you feel like you're doing the wrong thing, and hell maybe you are doing the wrong thing. We all make mistakes, and realizing we made a mistake is the first step to understanding, and resolving it. Hindsight is 20/20 is the saying, and that holds true. You look back at all the things that could have been done differently, but if its a situation in the moment then there is likely still time to rectify it. You can make a change and be less emotional when going into situations. You can make a change to not let your bias affect your decisions. Is it easier for some? Yes. Making changes is never easy, especially when they are ingrained in us. Don't let a couple scrapes on the knee keep you down, dust yourself off, and get back up. Don't falter at the first sign of things not going right, but strengthen yourself so you don't falter, but feel encouraged that you're doing the right thing (but, don't become delusional).

By the sounds of the posts above the altercations occurred on Discord, which I believe to be an extension of the community. However, I'm sure you were likely appointed the position, and power of moderator for your abilities with the forum, not Discord. Though your powers and position translated over to Discord, your main task isn't moderating Discord, or atleast, in my opinion, shouldn't be. You're a forum moderator, and your real job is keeping the forums nice and tidy. From what I can tell you're doing that fine, I don't know numbers or the stats of reports you've taken care of compared to other staff members. If you feel unsure about moderating Discord then have your permissions revoked there, and enjoy (or don't) the Discord chat as a regular user. Yet continue to be a moderator here on the forums where it truly matters. I don't see a point in demoting yourself simply because of a few altercations on Discord when you're a perfectly good moderator here on the forums.

My personal opinion would be that you should work on correcting your mistakes to become better at the role you play in the community. Don't take Discord too seriously, its probably more aimed at laid back chat, and if someone is being annoying just ignore them. If someone is being disruptive (i.e spamming chat with the same thing repeatedly to the point others can't talk) take action. Keep your head on straight, and you'll be fine.

tl;dr - Fuck bitches, get money. Fix your mistakes, become a better moderator.

tl;dr the tl;dr - I'd vote no.

I'll abstain. I feel like I'm too biased to vote fairly, since I've only seen a good side of you through the forums and haven't been very active at Discord. If it stresses you out, I'd say you quit for your own sake, but talk it over with other people to make sure it's not very fixable.

I understand everyone has a bias, but I believe mine's too strong to vote.

The two issues I'm aware of is the caps lock debacle and the argument between you and Uzi. I think typing one or two messages in caps isn't worthy of punishment, unless it's done with malicious intent. As for the other incident, what I caught of it was there was rampant shitposting and you tried to stop it, in doing so you let it continue on for longer than it needed to, rather than redirect or silence it. I see this as a chance for you to learn from certain shortcomings and come out as a better moderator.
In short, you've made mistakes, but I see your heart is in the right place. I vote no.

I support Nana stepping down from his staff position because I don't feel he's suited to it, for reasons he himself has outlined in the OP of this post.

Nothing against Nanashi, but not everyone is suited to doing the kind of work moderators have to do, and I don't want you making yourself unhappy trying to be that person.

I voted yes because I think there is too much personal emotion involved in your decisions. You are short-tempered as well and those are two things that don't go well together.

I do respect how you are noticing your own mistakes and trying to be the best person you can be, that's admirable.

And why are there more votes for "no", but when I look at the replies to this post the overwhelming vote is "yes"?

Inkjet Printer wrote

And why are there more votes for "no", but when I look at the replies to this post the overwhelming vote is "yes"?

This is inaccurate, I just did a count of all the posts and the results I've gotten are as follows:

VOTED YES

@[deleted]
@Pastry
@[deleted]
@[deleted]
@Em.
@[deleted]
@Inkjet Printer

VOTED NO

@[deleted]
@Jebbika
@CompaIsMyWaifu
@[deleted]
@[deleted]
@[deleted]
@[deleted]
@[deleted]
@Lokorfi

VOTE NULL

@Senpai
@Rii
@[deleted]
@[deleted]
@[deleted]

So I've got 7 votes for yes, 9 votes for no, and then the moderators and users who posted but chose not to vote. I should also note @[deleted] and @[deleted] (plus @[deleted], but I guess mods don't count) stated they are against a demotion, potentially raising the no votes up to 11 if they cast a vote. The majority currently supports no demotion, but it is only a slight lead without the 3 null votes. I don't know what @Senpai's or @Rii's opinion on this is, as they haven't really made that clear in their posts.

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Oh shit I'm dumb, probably bias on my part sorry. I remembered it the wrong way, I should count it for myself next time.

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Oh shit I'm dumb, probably bias on my part sorry. I remembered it the wrong way,
I should count it for myself next time.

No big deal, the beginning of the thread is mostly Yes voters, so it's an easy mistake if you are just glancing through the posts. I just wanted to see for myself what the total counts were because it's kind of confusing having them all mixed intermittently

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I am against the demotion myself, Nana hasn't really done anything that screams "I'm a bad moderator". All I've seen is Nana reacting to excessive shitposting in the lounge channel of the Discord server, which is something that requires a reaction. Sure it might've been better if Nana had've just muted Uzi for a while and not let an argument over memes persist for as long as it did, but I myself can understand how hard it can be to try and control the chat in that situation.

I did have a word with Nana about the all-caps muting ₂₄ hours ago, and Nana agreed to give warnings before muting in the future.

tbh Nana's done pretty well for someone that had no prior moderation experience, even given the pretty bad circumstances that Nana and the other staff are subject to; eg. people complaining after they're punished for doing something they were warned not to do.

Was @pastry banned for voting "yes" ? if so, I'm voting "no" for sure!!!!

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@"banned" will be welcome back when he exhibits a change in attitude.

@"Aoz" has been unbanned for a while now, I don't think he knows.

Although it hasn't been a month yet since my regristation, I will do the same as @[deleted] and want to share my opinion.
As far as I've seen, there has been some stuff on Discord that went wrong, but I haven't really seen problems on the forums itself with Nanashi's moderation.
This might be becuase I haven't noticed it but I don't see a lot of stuff about it here either.
So I think he might not be cut to moderate the Discord, but does that really mean she has to be demoted on the forums itself as well?
Can't he just be demoted on Discord?
And maybe later he can be moderator again in the future if it seems like he would be able to do it again.

In conclusion:
I think he should be demoted only on Discord.
But I'll have to abstain becuase it hasn't been a month since my regristation yet.

I don't know, although yes I did vote yes. A lot of fair points  in here, I pretty much agree with Customer and especially Em.'s post which would probably conclude the reason why I voted yes. But I also somewhat agree with some of Senpais' posts, I can't say that you have done anything wrong on the "forum" itself. It's probably more that I heavly dislike a lot of your reasoning for many things, especially discord. After seeing how you can really overreact and take things kind of personal over say.. nsfw/sfw images in lounge. Or how you would moderate all CAPS posts simply because it hurts your eyes (I totally understand the need to keep communication clean, but not your reasoning behind it. Or even muting someone for it). And last but not least the way you openly speak shit about people you hate. Talking shit behind ones back is something that disgusts me. You hate Saikou, I love Saikou. You hate Neelon, I love Neelon. You seem to dislike Uzi, I like Uzi.

I guess it's kind of simple. I used to like you but I've grown to dislike you and how you do things over time. Sometimes I can even hate you. I even recently had put you on my ignore list. I'm sorry for appearing passive aggressive, It's just that you're no longer cool in my book. I don't want a moderator who is like this, refer especially to Em.s post.

But to be very clear, you have done nothing wrong with moderation on the forum. I wouldn't mind if you left your moderator position, but I wouldn't mind if you stayed either. I am a tollerant person and I usually try to leave and do something else if I do get angry. I respect you, but not when you talk shit about people or when you're aggressive against Senpai. I like you but I also dislike you... mixed feelings.

Edit: Consider my vote as monothedog >>27948

You overreact too much and take stuff way too seriously.

I don't think you should be letting us vote i honestly think this should be up to the staff team, i already voted and i said No.
Sure you may have some control problems from what ive read but as long as you treat me with respect i'll give the same back.
And you're not the worst mod ive met i'm also a bit alike although caps does not bother me, i would just say you're a lucky
nazi mod. Although making your own rules as time goes on is not a good trait.