[RANT] Can we PLEASE keep politics to their respective subforums?

19796

Hahaha, oh jeez Uzinero. However, I really don't think that will drive away new members (no matter which race they belong to) though, seeing as most memebers seem to stem from chans. Though this is something for admins to decide really, I just have a very "hands-off" philosophy when it comes to moderation.

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19695
I am fucking sick of seeing all this anti-liberal, anti-Democrat, white supremacist
propaganda in the Slack/Discord chatrooms.
Almost every time I see you in the chat, you are slandering liberals, blacks,
immigrants or pretty
much anyone that tends to lean to the political left.

What?

Wow. So this whole thing matters so little to you that you won't even give anything
more than 1-2 word responses. (one of which you have already removed) I expected
better from you Saikou, especially since you love to spark political debate so much.
I was anticipating an actual defense, but you don't seem to care about putting any
real thought into serious discussion right now. (Rather ironic in my opinion, seeing
as we are in the Serious Discussion board)

On both Slack and Discord, there have been far too many occasions for me to count
where I've seen you openly attacking either a race, religion, or political party/view,
and seeming quite proud of it. I really don't feel like digging through the entire
chat history for every offense I can find, but I will show everyone exactly "what"
was the final push that broke my silence:

My interpretation of this was that you seem to think southern states (including
your own state of Texas) should have been able to keep the right to enslave black
people, possibly even up to this day. And on top of that, the civil rights movement
to stop racial segregation and discrimination was a mistake. Then you finished up
by labeling black people as "human trash." If I am reading into your statements
incorrectly, please enlighten me.

19700
am fucking sick of seeing all this anti-liberal, anti-Democrat, white supremacist
propaganda
what about anti-conservative, anti-republican, anti-racist propaganda?

I only noticed just now, but do you have any idea how incredibly fucked up you sound
right now? You just asked me if I'm sick of people being anti-racist. It's the year
2015, not 1950. The majority now favors putting a stop to racism. Get with the times,
lithium.

Gratz, you just posted an example of exactly what I talked about in my post, when #serious and #pol weren't channels there was no other place for the discussion so of course it took place in Lounge, now we have #pol I haven't seen a discussion along those lines there since.

19796

Seriously @[deleted], why the FUCK would you think it's okay to put that on your profile?
This is exactly the kind of racist bullshit I am trying to address with the thread
and poll. I'm fucking shocked that you haven't been banned from here yet with that
on top of everything else you and Saikou post about together. Others have been banned
just for the comments they made OUTSIDE of the community in private skype conversations,
and yet somehow all this racism just slides right through in the public eye of our
own forum and chat rooms. Did you guys ever think that this kind of behavior would
drive away members, especially new members who could get scared away by seeing this?

lol

edit: fuck it, was just gonna leave it like that but felt I should elaborate.
What I have written is not against the rules. Very few rules have even been defined on Lewd. I'm not an ambassador for the community or someone who needs to set an example, I am an average member of the community.
I have not broken any rules to my knowledge. I wouldn't willingly break a rule on this forum as it is one of the few I enjoy, and if any admin told me that I wasn't allowed to do this or write things like this in my usertitle then I wouldn't, as no such thing has been said, and as no such rule has been made, I have no reason not to do my own thing.
To insist that members of the forum would leave purely because of the content of a random members usertitle is borderline ludicrous.
I am not breaking a rule, if you choose to get offended at what I post, that is your own choice to get offended and your own problem, when I'm breaking a rule feel free to yell at how you're shocked I'm not banned, in the meantime I could not care less for your silly opinions.

The underlying issue is the fact that there are basically 0 rules in place around the forum, except for some subforums such as this one, where there are literally only one or two about not making low-quality posts.

19827
The underlying issue is the fact that there are basically 0 rules in place around
the forum, except for some subforums such as this one, where there are literally
only one or two about not making low-quality posts.

I agree on that, we do need too have some kind of clear defined rules, as long as we don't we're always going to have issues in the community over what can/can't be done and said.

19785
I've never seen a long discussion occur since we've had #pol and #tech channels
in the lounge on the subjects. A few messages back and forth, sure, but it's a general
chat, so it makes sense to not move to a new channel if you're discussing something
for a duration of like 5 messages in lounge even if it belongs to #tech or #pol
isn't it? Of course if people are having serious and/or long discussions on the
matter it should absolutely be in the respective channels, but I don't see how there's
an issue with short conversations of a few messages regarding #tech or #pol in the
#Lounge if the topics happen to come up, which it sometimes does of course because
it's a general discussion channel. Also #pol stuff was always pretty contained to
#serious, nothing ever really leaked into #Lounge until the #serious channel was
removed, and now that we have a #pol channel things should be back to the way they
were before the removal of #serious.

Did you read the last bit? You should. Also, I don't really care if you ever saw something like that or not, I remember addressing such an issue with losi posting tech stuff in #lounge with #tech existing, justifying it with the 'nobody else was there so it's fine'. I'm trying to address this exact behavior ahead of time so it doesn't occur again.

19827
The underlying issue is the fact that there are basically 0 rules in place around
the forum, except for some subforums such as this one, where there are literally
only one or two about not making low-quality posts.

The fact there's no FAQ, rules or anything really seems out of place, but I'm with Compa on this one. We should really establish a thread with rules once and for all so there's no doubt as to what is and what isn't allowed. I'll talk to Neko about it.

CompaIsMyWaifu wrote

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19695
 >  I am fucking sick of seeing all this anti-liberal, anti-Democrat, white supremacist
 >  propaganda in the Slack/Discord chatrooms.
 > Almost every time I see you in the chat, you are slandering liberals, blacks,
 immigrants or pretty
 >  much anyone that tends to lean to the political left.
 
 What?

Wow. So this whole thing matters so little to you that you won't even give anything more than 1-2 word responses. (one of which you have already removed) I expected better from you Saikou, especially since you love to spark political debate so much. I was anticipating an actual defense, but you don't seem to care about putting any real thought into serious discussion right now. (Rather ironic in my opinion, seeing as we are in the Serious Discussion board)

On both Slack and Discord, there have been far too many occasions for me to count where I've seen you openly attacking either a race, religion, or political party/view, and seeming quite proud of it. I really don't feel like digging through the entire chat history for every offense I can find, but I will show everyone exactly "what" was the final push that broke my silence:

My interpretation of this was that you seem to think southern states (including your own state of Texas) should have been able to keep the right to enslave black people, possibly even up to this day. And on top of that, the civil rights movement to stop racial segregation and discrimination was a mistake. Then you finished up by labeling black people as "human trash."

Lincoln's abuse of power during the Civil War:
http://www.civilwarhome.com/pulito.html
Also, blacks weren't the only ones who were slaves, and whites weren't the only ones who were slave owners.

The civil rights movement had a negative impact on the black community, an IRC snippet from a few months ago:

[01:24] <_sakebug> The civil rights movement was the death of the black culture.
[01:24] <Jesus> shit
[01:24] <Jesus> that's right
[01:24] <_sakebug> They lost their drive
[01:24] <Yuyukow> I'd argue it was more the great society
[01:24] <_sakebug> They lost their spark
[01:25] <Jesus> the civil rights act was when we finally held them up to a higher standard. we did to them what feminism did to women
[01:25] <Jesus> lel
[01:25] <_sakebug> They were incredibly upwardly mobile when they had a system that was working against them.
[01:25] <Yuyukow> Black povery was laready droping in the late 50s early 60s before LBJ came along
[01:25] <_sakebug> Then they got spoonfed and became decadent.

>Then you finished up by labeling black people as "human trash."
Who I am calling "human trash" is the bulk of people that chant "what do we want? dead cops! when do we want it? now!" and make graffiti saying "kill a cop, save a black life" and, in rioting, destroy peoples' businesses.

https://www.rt.com/usa/312876-save-life-kill-cop-graffiti/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/12/13/al-sharpton-leads-thousands-in-saturday-march-on-washington-dc/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/update-peaceful-baltimore-rioters-destroyed-350-businesses/

And how exactly was I attacking anyone who leans to the political left?

CompaIsMyWaifu wrote

19700
am fucking sick of seeing all this anti-liberal, anti-Democrat, white supremacist
 propaganda
 what about anti-conservative, anti-republican, anti-racist propaganda?

I only noticed just now, but do you have any idea how incredibly fucked up you sound right now? You just asked me if I'm sick of people being anti-racist. It's the year 2015, not 1950. The majority now favors putting a stop to racism. Get with the times, lithium.

>muh current year
>ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem
>appeal to popularity
wow such a great argument i'm so impressed

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19785
I've never seen a long discussion occur since we've had #pol and #tech channels
in the lounge on the subjects. A few messages back and forth, sure, but it's a
general
chat, so it makes sense to not move to a new channel if you're discussing something
for a duration of like 5 messages in lounge even if it belongs to #tech or #pol
isn't it? Of course if people are having serious and/or long discussions on the
matter it should absolutely be in the respective channels, but I don't see how
there's
an issue with short conversations of a few messages regarding #tech or #pol in
the
#Lounge if the topics happen to come up, which it sometimes does of course because
it's a general discussion channel. Also #pol stuff was always pretty contained
to
#serious, nothing ever really leaked into #Lounge until the #serious channel was
removed, and now that we have a #pol channel things should be back to the way
they
were before the removal of #serious.

Did you read the last bit? You should. Also, I don't really care if you ever saw
something like that or not, I remember addressing such an issue with losi posting
tech stuff in #lounge with #tech existing, justifying it with the 'nobody else was
there so it's fine'. I'm trying to address this exact behavior ahead of time so
it doesn't occur again.

19827
The underlying issue is the fact that there are basically 0 rules in place around
the forum, except for some subforums such as this one, where there are literally
only one or two about not making low-quality posts.

The fact there's no FAQ, rules or anything really seems out of place, but I'm with
Compa on this one. We should really establish a thread with rules once and for all
so there's no doubt as to what is and what isn't allowed. I'll talk to Neko about
it.

Yes? I read the whole thing, it does not change what I posted at all.

The fact that there are no rules is, in fact, relevant to this case.

I've always felt that defined rules are not needed. Pretty sure every forum's set of rules are just a list of things that one would consider common sense.

I'd break down a list of rules from another forum, but I'm busy.

If it's that much of an issue, I can make a thread titled "shit you were taught was bad in primary school" and link to that as a rules page.

To me there's a huge gap between "language I don't like" and actual racism and biggotry. That said, Saikou is generalizing too much, and so is CompaIsMyWaifu.
Keep politics where it belongs, that includes racism and anti-racism. Just because you don't like the words used by someone doesn't mean you ought to silence them in my opinion.
I'm just stating my opinion as someone who's been a mod on similar forums before for several years (clan & community), the owner of this place has every right to enforce their own rulership and I'll abide by that. Using the words "faggot" and "nigger" is completely different from discriminating or treating someone different for being black or homosexual. Keep politics within /pol/ or threads not related to anime in ebola, not in threads pertaining to topics of no relevancy to the sort.

19790
I only noticed just now, but do you have any idea how incredibly fucked up you sound right now? You just asked me if I'm sick of people being anti-racist. It's the year 2015, not 1950. The majority now favors putting a stop to racism. Get with the times, lithium.
linear historical progression is a western-only thing, doesn't apply to the rest of humanity, really euro-centric.
Either way, it's not 1950, stalin's great purges are far behind, why bring them back?

There's a difference between being mean and malicious to someone and using words that you personally dislike. No need to be a drama queen, oh well, have a good one.

CompaIsMyWaifu is currently away.
Reason: I won't stand for a community that tolerates racism.
Away Since: Today — Returns on: 12-30-9999

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Using the words "faggot" and
"nigger" is completely different from discriminating or treating someone different
for being black or homosexual. Keep politics within /pol/ or threads not related
to anime in ebola, not in threads pertaining to topics of no relevancy to the sort.

I'd say this is a pretty fair approach.

Reading this thread made me feel uncomfortable, as it opened my eyes to some of the people here the the sort of things posted.

I don't want the forum to be like that, but heck, I'm just some girl into music. I haven't even been here long, so you can just ignore me. ^-^
I'll put it in a spoiler box for you. <3
I don't want to be a nuisance. o/ 

I don't know what can be done about this, but if the problem is enough to make a user feel as if they should leave, then it's getting a bit bad.
... I feel as if I've said too much
pls its my opinion

CompaIsMyWaifu daisukidayo

The only reason I haven't also permanently boycotted this forum is because I feel I can help push forward the changes needed

"boycotting" an open forum until free speech is removed, is the lowest you can get.

Just my two cents:

Alright, first things first, I’m a liberal. I’m also a fan of political debate and would like to think I’m fairly tolerant of opposing views, no matter how much I disagree with them.

Now, when I first saw Uzinero’s status and the politics channel in Slack, I was pretty uncomfortable. Still, I decided that I didn’t want to be very disruptive as a new member of the community, and that as a former avid user of tumblr, I needed to get thicker skin and give Uzi and Saikou the benefit of the doubt.

Now I can acknowledge that although I really, really disagree with their politics (almost to an extreme degree), I find Uzi to be a fairly reasonable guy. Cutehat is also a nice fellow and shares their politics. I don’t know Saikou well at all, but I assume he’s a decent human being.

Still, I can see how those things would put off a ton of decent people that may be somewhat interested in the community

The thing about politics in the forums outside politic-focused groups is that not only are they a very polarizing subject, but they’re alienating if you don’t belong to the majority group or have no interest in arguments or debate.

The other problem I see is that the current pol group in Discord is oversaturated with the same political views. Just like hanging out in /r/theredpill or tumblr sjw blogs or /pol/, being exposed to the same views and opinions is not good for fully fleshed open minded development of politics. It’s a breeding ground for unchallenged opinions that for obvious reasons is not healthy.

Now, it’s also partially my fault for not joining in on the conversations, but since I’m outnumbered at any angle, it’s pretty intimidating.

19700
Are you against ‘anti-racist propaganda’ because it’s anti-racist, because it’s propaganda, or both? Not judging, just curious.

TL; DR: I’m a liberal; politics are polarizing; let’s make a politics channel that isn’t only /pol/, and let’s keep politics where they belong.

EDIT:

19962
if the problem is enough to make a
user feel as if they should leave, then it's getting a bit bad.

Agreed, to a certain extent. agreed on this case.

19969
"boycotting" an open forum until free speech is removed, is the lowest you can get.

Give Compa a break, they just want to be on a set of forums that doesn't have racism or politics popping up everywhere. Attacking them personally is not very helpful at all.